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noodles older than we thought

Postby kingofmetal » Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:05 am

thought you all might wanna know...

Oldest noodles unearthed in China

Late Neolithic noodles: They may settle the origin debate

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The remains of the world's oldest noodles have been unearthed in China.

The 50cm-long, yellow strands were found in a pot that had probably been buried during a catastrophic flood.

Radiocarbon dating of the material taken from the Lajia archaeological site on the Yellow River indicates the food was about 4,000 years old.

Scientists tell the journal Nature that the noodles were made using grains from millet grass - unlike modern noodles, which are made with wheat flour.

The discovery goes a long way to settling the old argument over who first created the string-like food.

Professor Houyuan Lu said: "Prior to the discovery of noodles at Lajia, the earliest written record of noodles is traced to a book written during the East Han Dynasty sometime between AD 25 and 220, although it remained a subject of debate whether the Chinese, the Italians, or the Arabs invented it first.


Lajia is a very interesting site; in a way, it is the Pompeii of China
Prof Kam-biu Liu
"Our discovery indicates that noodles were first produced in China," the researcher from the Institute of Geology and Geophysics, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Beijing, explained to BBC News.

The professor's team tells Nature that the ancient settlement at Lajia was hit by a sudden catastrophe.

Among the remains are skeletons thrown into various abnormal postures, suggesting the inhabitants may have been trying to flee the disaster that was enveloping them.

"Based on the geological and archaeological evidence, there was a catastrophic earthquake and immediately following the quake, the site was subject to flooding by the river," explained co-author Professor Kam-biu Liu, from Louisiana State University, US.

Map of Lajia (BBC)
"Lajia is a very interesting site; in a way, it is the Pompeii of China."

It was in amongst the human wreckage that scientists found an upturned earthenware bowl filled with brownish-yellow, fine clay.

When they lifted the inverted container, the noodles were found sitting proud on the cone of sediment left behind.

"It was this unique combination of factors that created a vacuum or empty space between the top of the sediment cone and the bottom of this bowl that allowed the noodles to be preserved," Professor Kam-biu Liu said.

The noodles resemble the La-Mian noodle, the team says; a traditional Chinese noodle that is made by repeatedly pulling and stretching the dough by hand.


There is evidence that a sudden calamity overtook the Lajia site

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To identify the plants from which the noodles were made, the team looked at the shape and patterning of starch grains and so-called seed-husk phytoliths in the bowl.

These were compared with modern crops. The analysis pointed to the use of foxtail millet (Setaria italica) and broomcorn millet (Panicum miliaceum)

"Our data demonstrate that noodles were probably initially made from species of domesticated grasses native to China. This is in sharp contrast to modern Chinese noodles or Italian pasta which are mostly made of wheat today," Professor Houyuan Lu said.

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Re: noodles older than we thought

Postby E.Raser » Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:41 am

kingofmetal wrote:
Radiocarbon dating of the material taken from the Lajia archaeological site on the Yellow River indicates the food was about 4,000 years old.



and spaghetti were taken in Italy from China from Marco Polo in 1295 d.Cr., even if they were spaghetti of soia and not of wheat.

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Postby KC Observer » Mon Nov 20, 2006 6:46 pm

kingofmetal - very interesting article. Please learn to use the quotation function and cite the source that you've pulled the information from.
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Postby KC Observer » Mon Nov 20, 2006 6:46 pm

Double post. Dang that double click!
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Re: noodles older than we thought

Postby E.Raser two » Thu Mar 08, 2007 8:33 am

kingofmetal wrote:

Oldest noodles unearthed in China

Late Neolithic noodles: They may settle the origin debate



we have a thread "evidence from Mesolithic " ---art and artistic adaptation
which can change back the time and the site:Europe :mrgreen:

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Re: noodles older than we thought

Postby Marcion » Mon Apr 02, 2007 6:44 am

and spaghetti were taken in Italy from China from Marco Polo in 1295 d.Cr., even if they were spaghetti of soia and not of wheat.


Not quite. Cicero wrote fondly of spaghetti in the first century BCE. He was a Roman. And it is debateable if Marco Polo ever even visited China (though not improbable).

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Re: noodles older than we thought

Postby E.Raser two » Tue Apr 03, 2007 10:54 am

Marcion wrote: Cicero wrote fondly of spaghetti in the first century


Sure ?
I did not know it
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Where ?

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Postby Shwag Dawg » Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:51 am

Agreed, that seems very interesting and I would appreciate a source on that.

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Postby Marcion » Tue Apr 03, 2007 5:49 pm

I'm sorry, I said spaghetti, it was actually long flat noodles. It was a dish called laganum or lagana, the predecessor to lasagna, but instead of noodle sheets it is thin strips. The shape of the noodle and style of Lagana developed separately in different regions of Rome.

Not to be confused with a Greek noodle bread called Laganos, also called Lagana, which was probably the predecessor of the italian pasta.

http://www.mitsidesgroup.com/main/main.asp?cm=03

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Postby E.Raser two » Wed Apr 04, 2007 1:40 pm

Marcion wrote:
Not to be confused with a Greek noodle bread called Laganos, also called Lagana, which was probably the predecessor of the italian pasta.

http://www.mitsidesgroup.com/main/main.asp?cm=03


Wonderful :worship:
Laganon--------->>>>>>>>Laganum-------->>>>>Lasagne
Cicero+Horace+Marcus Galius Apicus:De re coquinaria.

But I have found a Bible quote, by Laganum in google too:
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Nm VI,19 : et armum coctum arietis,tortamque absque fermento unum de canistro et laganum arymum unum

So...........
IF...........
there is a FLM Flying Laganum Monster in ancient Rome gods literature too
.....we can prove that BIBLE too is a pastafarian pirate :mrgreen:

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Postby Marcion » Wed Apr 04, 2007 4:32 pm

LOL!

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Postby E.Raser two » Thu Apr 05, 2007 11:16 am

Marcion wrote:LOL!


Nm ( numbers ) VI,19 : et armum coctum arietis, tortamque absque fermento unum de canistro, et laganum azymum unum....

The rite of agitation and law of Nazireato.
So, because Jesus Christ was a Nazzareno, he was a FSM pirate too.
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Re: noodles older than we thought

Postby Meatball » Thu Apr 05, 2007 9:06 pm

kingofmetal wrote:thought you all might wanna know...

Oldest noodles unearthed in China

Late Neolithic noodles: They may settle the origin debate

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The remains of the world's oldest noodles have been unearthed in China.

The 50cm-long, yellow strands were found in a pot that had probably been buried during a catastrophic flood.

Radiocarbon dating of the material taken from the Lajia archaeological site on the Yellow River indicates the food was about 4,000 years old.

Scientists tell the journal Nature that the noodles were made using grains from millet grass - unlike modern noodles, which are made with wheat flour.

The discovery goes a long way to settling the old argument over who first created the string-like food.

Professor Houyuan Lu said: "Prior to the discovery of noodles at Lajia, the earliest written record of noodles is traced to a book written during the East Han Dynasty sometime between AD 25 and 220, although it remained a subject of debate whether the Chinese, the Italians, or the Arabs invented it first.


Lajia is a very interesting site; in a way, it is the Pompeii of China
Prof Kam-biu Liu
"Our discovery indicates that noodles were first produced in China," the researcher from the Institute of Geology and Geophysics, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Beijing, explained to BBC News.

The professor's team tells Nature that the ancient settlement at Lajia was hit by a sudden catastrophe.

Among the remains are skeletons thrown into various abnormal postures, suggesting the inhabitants may have been trying to flee the disaster that was enveloping them.

"Based on the geological and archaeological evidence, there was a catastrophic earthquake and immediately following the quake, the site was subject to flooding by the river," explained co-author Professor Kam-biu Liu, from Louisiana State University, US.

Map of Lajia (BBC)
"Lajia is a very interesting site; in a way, it is the Pompeii of China."

It was in amongst the human wreckage that scientists found an upturned earthenware bowl filled with brownish-yellow, fine clay.

When they lifted the inverted container, the noodles were found sitting proud on the cone of sediment left behind.

"It was this unique combination of factors that created a vacuum or empty space between the top of the sediment cone and the bottom of this bowl that allowed the noodles to be preserved," Professor Kam-biu Liu said.

The noodles resemble the La-Mian noodle, the team says; a traditional Chinese noodle that is made by repeatedly pulling and stretching the dough by hand.


There is evidence that a sudden calamity overtook the Lajia site

More details
To identify the plants from which the noodles were made, the team looked at the shape and patterning of starch grains and so-called seed-husk phytoliths in the bowl.

These were compared with modern crops. The analysis pointed to the use of foxtail millet (Setaria italica) and broomcorn millet (Panicum miliaceum)

"Our data demonstrate that noodles were probably initially made from species of domesticated grasses native to China. This is in sharp contrast to modern Chinese noodles or Italian pasta which are mostly made of wheat today," Professor Houyuan Lu said.

noodles came before the dinosaurs and ruled the earth, too bad the empire was toppled by hungry college students


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