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Re: Why Brits are better than Yanks

Postby daftbeaker » Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:07 pm

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Re: Why Brits are better than Yanks

Postby bonsaiherb » Mon Nov 17, 2014 9:40 pm

Guess you've thrown in the towel or is the kilts.

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Re: Why Brits are better than Yanks

Postby Cardinal Fang » Mon Nov 17, 2014 9:49 pm

Interesting stats from the Huffington Post aboout 15 ways the US is best (at being worse), including:

- The US is one of only 4 countries in the world not to give paid maternity leave (the others being Lesotho, Swaziland, and New Guinea)
- The US is the only "advanced economy that doesn't require companies to give paid vacation time
- The US is the only "advanced economy that doesn't guarantee paid sick leave
- The US spends more on military expenditure than any other country
- The US exports more weapons than any other country
- The US imprisons a higher proportion of its citizens than any other country
- The US is the only country that comes close to having nearly as many guns as people
- The US spends more on healthcare than any other industrialised country
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- More babies die the same day they are born in the US than in any other industrialised country
- The US has the highest levels of inequality of any industrialised country

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Re: Why Brits are better than Yanks

Postby bonsaiherb » Mon Nov 17, 2014 10:44 pm

Cardinal Fang,

No argument on many of your points, but some are a bit wavy.
Vacation time and maternity time yes. Prisons and gun ownership probably yes.

The US spends more on military expenditure than any other country. NOPE
By GDP we spend some 3.8 percent of our income, UAE, Russia and Saudi Arabia spend more. S. Korea and India are slowly edging up to that level.
The reason places like S. Korea, Taiwan, Germany, France and Britain are not up there is because you wankers depend upon our umbrella and fools that we are we give it to you.

I believe the same statistics can be given for your next comment.
The US exports more weapons than any other country YUP! Or is it our GDP?

Again it is a matter of population and statistics. Europe beats the cake and the US., only comes in as 14th.
Israel, Sweden, Switzerland, France and the UK all have had their dirty hands in arm esports as well. Think back on Iraq and some of its ‘special needs.’ EUROPE came to answer it. Singapore also exports a great deal of ‘black market arms.’ OOPS I left out Germany which had special deals with Iraq and Iran as well.

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-inf ... er-%24-GDP

On the health care issue and he fact that we lose more infants than we should. YES!
Not so sure about the inequality issue, except Americans may be too addicted to a welfare state than trying to get ahead. Europe has its own inequalities. Ask most Muslims in France or Germany, or the Romany that are considered next to vermin in many countries in Europe.

Nationalism is on the rise and I doubt that the Europe you see today will be the one that will exist four years from now.

One further note, we are also behind most Industrialized Nations in Internet speed and affordability. That is true, but it is a matter of most of these countries subsidize these entities’ more that we do. Taxation is another matter.

Sometimes simple graphs or numbers do not always add up to the truth.

Last note: WAR! You did not mention. America has been quite a warfare state for a long time. At last count I read that since our founding there have been 15-30 years of non-warfare. Mind you this includes our own hideous treatment of Native Americans. Trouble is, aside from Jimmy Carter's four years I have trouble tracking down the other peaceful years.
Mind you England has had its share as well so I will call that one a draw.

http://www.vox.com/2014/9/23/6829399/23 ... rprise-you

Go to map #2 The British have invaded almost every country on earth. Good disclaimer on that, and you did begin the task a lot earlier than the US. In Europe, you only missed Sweden!

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Re: Why Brits are better than Yanks

Postby gronank » Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:22 am

In Europe, you only missed Sweden!

And the only reason for that was that the germans got a whiff of what they where planning and pre-empted them with about a week by invading Norway in 1940.
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Re: Why Brits are better than Yanks

Postby bonsaiherb » Tue Nov 18, 2014 1:03 pm

I hate to post a follow-up to my recent one, but this is important. It is also very sad.
Number Of Homeless Children In America Surges To All-Time High:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/1 ... 69994.html

I pray that Europe is doing a better job on this issue.
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Re: Why Brits are better than Yanks

Postby bonsaiherb » Tue Nov 18, 2014 4:32 pm

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Along with people with enduring mental health problems, learning difficulties, disabilities, all the people the Welfare State was supposed to protect in the first place.


Yes, I have been there trying to be proactive and be an ombudsman as well in WA. state. The entrenched 'service providers' proved to be incestuous, corrupt and for the most part didn't give a crap about the people they were supposed to serve. Those that did, like myself got burned out after a few years and quit. Things have only gotten worse decade by decade.

When and if, the economic bubble finally bursts it will be butt ugly. No more entitlements, no more food stamps? No more Social Security checks, child welfare benefits in Canada and elsewhere. Worse yet, even (competent?) young people barely know how to survive on little. I might have a better chance surviving than my children do.

My homepagehttp://sweetgeodes.com/senft/ has some good links on this matter.

including how we deal with thehttp://sweetgeodes.com/senft/?page_id=2020. homeless.

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Re: Why Brits are better than Yanks

Postby Griffin » Tue Nov 18, 2014 5:34 pm

Roy Hunter wrote:There is no demonstrable causal link between 'Austerity' and homelessness, but there sure as hell is a correlation.


The fact that no one has demonstrated evidentialy a causal link is disgraceful. We know that people are being made homeless by rent rises and bedroom tax, but no one can be bothered to prove it. We know that use of foodbanks has risen due to austerity, but that has not been proven either, so the government can just go on saying that more people love the food handed out by food banks or it's been made fashionable or more people know about them now, or whatever other rubbish they want to use to dupe the voters. I can't stand the lies.
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Re: Why Brits are better than Yanks

Postby Cardinal Fang » Wed Nov 19, 2014 1:47 pm

Griffin wrote:
Roy Hunter wrote:There is no demonstrable causal link between 'Austerity' and homelessness, but there sure as hell is a correlation.


The fact that no one has demonstrated evidentialy a causal link is disgraceful. We know that people are being made homeless by rent rises and bedroom tax, but no one can be bothered to prove it. We know that use of foodbanks has risen due to austerity, but that has not been proven either, so the government can just go on saying that more people love the food handed out by food banks or it's been made fashionable or more people know about them now, or whatever other rubbish they want to use to dupe the voters. I can't stand the lies.


I think it's more that the Government is deliberately avoiding finding the evidence. There was a debate last year in Parliament, asking the Government to investigate why use of foodbanks is increasing. The Tories imposed a 3-line whip on voting against it (if you're not familiar with this terminology, it means they made it mandatory for all of their MPs to vote against it). In the end 296 MPs voted against the motion, nearly all from the Tory side (names listed on the "A Girl Called Jack" website, if you're interested). When Oxfam, or the Tressell Trust (who run 100s of food banks the length and bredth of the UK) report that clients are reporting that it is Government policies that is pushing them into hardship, the Government just dismiss it as "political" nad still claim there is no evidence.

Parental volunteers at a food bank. Comes back with stories every single week about new clients who end up using a food bank because they've had their benefits sanctions for dumbass reasons (I remember a couple of weeks ago being told of someone who had benefits removed for 3 months for not attending a Job Centre interview - because they were at their child's funeral). It seems that it takes conscious amount of "not looking" to fail to see connections between Government austerity cuts and the rises in homelessness, poverty, inequality and food bank use.

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Re: Why Brits are better than Yanks

Postby Cardinal Fang » Wed Nov 19, 2014 7:42 pm

Roy Hunter wrote:I have probably posted this elsewhere, but West Dunbartonshire Citizens Advice Bureau published a report called Unjust and Uncaring, which is worth a read. Real, documented cases of the abuse being handed out by unwilling and unhappy Jobcentre Plus staff, who are compelled to do so.


Cheers for that. Have forwarded it to parental as well

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Re: Why Brits are better than Yanks

Postby Griffin » Thu Nov 20, 2014 12:26 am

Thanks for the link Roy.

On further stoires of horrors. My personal current one is that there's a nice chap in my father's care home who is very ill with cancer and can't cope at home. He's been told they have no more treatments for him. He got turned down for benefits and appealed and then went to Tribunal last week and....... they turned him down again, upholding the decision. I don't know which benefit it was - ESA or PIP, but I suspect PIP. {that's unable to work ESA, or extra costs of being disabled/sick PIP}. Yes, they really do turn down terminal illness cases. Or people die waiting for a decision. You couldn't make it up.

And it is going to get worse. I doubt, whichever govt.is in power, they will stop until the whole welfare state is destroyed. After all, we are just scum.

Oh and disability hate crime figures are going up (should have a reference for that but too lazy to source it).
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Re: Why Brits are better than Yanks

Postby bonsaiherb » Thu Nov 20, 2014 6:09 am

Griffin, I think this is an issue that needs improvement in both countries.

In the US, we do not (or have made it very difficult to) provide proper mental or physical care for our returning Vets. As for the elderly suffering from chronic long term health problems such as Alzheimer's one has to wait for 3-6 months even to find a room in a care facility and these may be 100 miles away.

Finally when so placed the cost is some 8-10,000 dollars a month. Having home care givers is also an expensive reality as we grow older and need assistance. Most of that funding comes from turning your home equity and personal property over to the state.

Those that have neither, simply are screwed. I happen to be in a middle position and have some surgery needs that are NOT guaranteed to work. With SS (disability) Medicare, I am responsible for twenty percent of the procedure which is 30,000. So 6,000 would come out of pocket, which I do not have. Worse yet my income level prevents me from taking out a second mortgage. Some hospitals do offer payment plans, most do not.

Worse yet, one needs to find a doctor who will even deal with Medicare and I suspect Obama Care is about the same. Most have opted out of the system and opened up pay as you go clinics. In my county only TWO physicians would take on new Medicare patients.!

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Re: Why Brits are better than Yanks

Postby Griffin » Thu Nov 20, 2014 4:30 pm

bonsaiherb wrote:Most have opted out of the system and opened up pay as you go clinics.


I somehow don't think you mean paying up after death :haha:

Actually the govt. here are considering some scheme where you get to keep the home you own while you are in care, and then re-pay the care from the sale of the property when you die. I've lost track of where they've got to with this one. It doesn't sound austerity enough to me. ;)

Sorry you are in such a position with your health.
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Re: Why Brits are better than Yanks

Postby bonsaiherb » Thu Nov 20, 2014 5:34 pm

Sorry you are in such a position with your health.


Thank you Griffin,

Still beats the alternative! When I turn 65 yrs. I will be able to do a 'reverse mortgage' and deal with some of this stuff. Nothing critical, but damn debilitating, painful and awksome to make up a word.

Trouble is, even when spent, there is no guarantee. Sorta like hip replacements. Warranties suck. Knee replacements are better and I also have a permanent shoulder neurological problem that leaves me one armed. Thankfully it was the left arm.

So much about personal crap. That and worse will happen to most of us and for that I am prepared.

Less so for the abysmal failure of the American medical community to provide care for the elderly and the handicapped. (Homeless people??? Go and die under an underpass.) Now that would be a great line to snatch for that despicable quotes out of context thread. By that I mean ... well they are disposable as far as the Oligarchs that rule us are concerned and 'Soylent Green' will be the future for us old farts who had forgotten to accumulate enough wealth.

More and more single mothers and children are joining the homeless ranks every day and the people who are still financially afloat simply do not realize that it could be their turn next. They simply flip up their shades and ignore this part of their own community ... Silicon Valley is a good example of this bipolar society.

I hope Europe is doing better on this, and should all else go ass backwards I still have my German citizenship to reclaim. I would be a Euro then. Image

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Re: Why Brits are better than Yanks

Postby Griffin » Fri Nov 21, 2014 11:19 pm

bonsaiherb wrote:.............. the people who are still financially afloat simply do not realize that it could be their turn next.


This is equally true here. I find it very disturbing. It's incredibly unintelligent.
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